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: Godfrey seems to be busy at the moment. Maybe you can help me ? Well... here is the main idea : we grew up in an economy mainly based on ''selling and buying''. And we allmost forgot that when we give something, we offer not only the present, but also an opportunity to have the reciever being much more creative when feeling recognition for the present he just recieved. He can still give money, but maybe he has something more precious to give ! So this being the main idea, I would like us to imagine how NVC would be enriched by a CNVC telling to the world : « we would like to build up an encyclopedia about this empathy-type of communication, and because it's something universal, made of humankind, we would like every human being to be allowed to enrich this encyclopedia. And therefore we plan to build up a website alike Wikipedia, based on free contributions. And because we wouldn't like anyone or any group  to say "this belongs only to me/us", this new economy is based on copyleft :-) » Does this proposal answers, more or less, your question ? Would you adapt it to your context ? --D
 
: Godfrey seems to be busy at the moment. Maybe you can help me ? Well... here is the main idea : we grew up in an economy mainly based on ''selling and buying''. And we allmost forgot that when we give something, we offer not only the present, but also an opportunity to have the reciever being much more creative when feeling recognition for the present he just recieved. He can still give money, but maybe he has something more precious to give ! So this being the main idea, I would like us to imagine how NVC would be enriched by a CNVC telling to the world : « we would like to build up an encyclopedia about this empathy-type of communication, and because it's something universal, made of humankind, we would like every human being to be allowed to enrich this encyclopedia. And therefore we plan to build up a website alike Wikipedia, based on free contributions. And because we wouldn't like anyone or any group  to say "this belongs only to me/us", this new economy is based on copyleft :-) » Does this proposal answers, more or less, your question ? Would you adapt it to your context ? --D
  
I don't have the time to research and write this. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to wait for Godfrey or someone else to collaborate with you on it, or to work on it yourself until you have the clarity you'd like in a couple of sentences. That would meet my needs for clarity and ease, and I'm hoping it would also meet your needs for having this issue considered by the Board. I like the concept of sharing NVC freely and distributing it widely, so for me the question of copyleft for CNVC materials has to do with how it would affect revenues vs. promulgation of NVC. Since a major use of funds by CNVC is in NVC promotion and training, widely available free tools might meet that need. At the same time, in-person training seems to have great value and material sales could help to support that. I'm not clear on how much revenue could be generated with a copyleft policy, and I'm guessing that could be a key question to address. -JW
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I don't have the time to research and write this. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to wait for Godfrey or someone else to collaborate with you on it, or to work on it yourself until you have the clarity you'd like in a couple of sentences. That would meet my needs for clarity and ease, and I'm hoping it would also meet your needs for having this issue considered by the Board.  
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I like the concept of sharing NVC freely and distributing it widely, so for me the question of copyleft for CNVC materials has to do with how it would affect revenues vs. promulgation of NVC. Since a major use of funds by CNVC is in NVC promotion and training, widely available free tools might meet those needs. At the same time, in-person training seems to have great value and material sales could help to support that. I'm not clear on how much revenue could be generated with a copyleft policy, and I'm guessing that could be a key question to address. -JW

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CopyLeft

Dieudo wrote:

So here is my request : that nvcworld project is based free software under GPL license, as Wikipedia and Ubuntu (for example).

I strongly support this request in general, because I find that free open source software is congruent with my understanding of NVC. Particularly that it can be freely shared by CNVC with groups and individuals doing NVC work everywhere. Also that the development process is transparent. Another aspect I like is that we would not be dependent on one company or consultant. I also like that the documents created by such software are generally easier to share with people around the world. I have been working to promote more use of open source software by CNVC. At the same time I'm aware that some people may have needs not met by open source and I want to be sure everyone's needs can be met. So I feel cautiously optimistic that we can have a shift toward more open source.

As you've probably seen in the CNVC IT page here on NVCwiki, we are exploring the use of open source Drupal and CivicSpace for a new CNVC platform. I'm not aware of any CNVC investment in NVCworld at this time, and I don't know if that is open source. My impression is that CNVC will soon be basing most of the IT system on open source applications. -John Wiley

When I see a "copyright" on a document, it reminds me of the protection of a merchandise. A nice dead merchandise.

Are you sad that CNVC is using a process that you believe is in conflict with life? Are you curious what needs might be met by choosing copyright protection?

My impression from what others have said is that CNVC is trying to find diverse sources of continued income so that Marshall can reduce his exhausting travel schedule. One strategy is to increase revenues from material sales, and there is some concern that only copyright can protect this income source.

I'm wondering if one strategy might be for someone (you, for example) to create some pamphlets, recordings and books, and offer them for sale with the copyleft protection you envision. If that were to generate some income, my guess is that other products might be added to the list marketed in this way.

Thanks for sharing your passion about this. I hope some day we might meet.


warmly,

John


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Copyleft CNVC

John wrote :

Are you sad that CNVC is using a process that you believe is in conflict with life?

Indeed. (I feel joyfull, now, to be understood  :-)

Are you curious what needs might be met by choosing copyright protection?

I guess the needs you pointed out are the ones the traditionnal copyright strategy is trying to meet.

I'm wondering if one strategy might be for someone (you, for example) to create some pamphlets, recordings and books, and offer them for sale with the copyleft protection you envision. If that were to generate some income, my guess is that other products might be added to the list marketed in this way.

With some friends in Bordeaux, France, we made a DVD out of Marshall's conference there.

And we began (June 2005) a negociation with Anne Bourrit, Godfrey Spencer and Gary Baran, about how we could use BitTorrent technology make it worldwide available. You can have an example how it could look like on theses websites :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Torrentcomp_small.gif

So far this question remains to me : how not to see such initiative as rival to Pierre Piront's one without a global approach such as Ubunt's community ?

with my confidence,

Dieudonné

Board Proposal

If you'd like to write up a sentence or two about this as a proposal to the CNVC Board, I will submit it for consideration as a potential future agenda item. -JW

I'm going to ask Godfrey's help to formulate it in way it might be understood ;-) --Dieudonné 09:46, 27 May 2006 (CEST)
Godfrey seems to be busy at the moment. Maybe you can help me ? Well... here is the main idea : we grew up in an economy mainly based on selling and buying. And we allmost forgot that when we give something, we offer not only the present, but also an opportunity to have the reciever being much more creative when feeling recognition for the present he just recieved. He can still give money, but maybe he has something more precious to give ! So this being the main idea, I would like us to imagine how NVC would be enriched by a CNVC telling to the world : « we would like to build up an encyclopedia about this empathy-type of communication, and because it's something universal, made of humankind, we would like every human being to be allowed to enrich this encyclopedia. And therefore we plan to build up a website alike Wikipedia, based on free contributions. And because we wouldn't like anyone or any group to say "this belongs only to me/us", this new economy is based on copyleft :-) » Does this proposal answers, more or less, your question ? Would you adapt it to your context ? --D

I don't have the time to research and write this. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to wait for Godfrey or someone else to collaborate with you on it, or to work on it yourself until you have the clarity you'd like in a couple of sentences. That would meet my needs for clarity and ease, and I'm hoping it would also meet your needs for having this issue considered by the Board.

I like the concept of sharing NVC freely and distributing it widely, so for me the question of copyleft for CNVC materials has to do with how it would affect revenues vs. promulgation of NVC. Since a major use of funds by CNVC is in NVC promotion and training, widely available free tools might meet those needs. At the same time, in-person training seems to have great value and material sales could help to support that. I'm not clear on how much revenue could be generated with a copyleft policy, and I'm guessing that could be a key question to address. -JW