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== Adding NVC Research Circle to Main Page ==
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=NVCwiki Change=
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==Celebrations==
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===John Wiley===
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I'm so richly appreciating all that this wiki has brought to the global NVC community! Markus, your contributions in particular fill me with joyful celebration of how much my needs for community and connection have been supported by your work here. I'm also celebrating the freedom I'm guessing this shift in your focus can bring you, for exploring new ways to meet the needs alive in you.  Hurray!--[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 03:17, 12 May 2007 (CEST)
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==Mournings==
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==Discussion==
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===CNVC Wiki?===
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I've just contacted William Poehner, leader of the CNVC's IT Committee, asking if he'd like to see us move the official and semi-official parts of this wiki onto a CNVC server. I'm wondering if this could help to reduce the workload of anyone willing to consider taking on the operation of this wiki.
  
I'd like to add the NVC Research Circle to the Main Page. I consider this a project, since we do have projects and I think the impact of NVC Research is very important to the expansion of NVC, but maybe it belongs in General Topics for now.  I'll create a new set of pages and then provide the link here until someone can edit the main page for me.   Thanks, Tom Caruso
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As you may know, CNVC is about to release a completely revised website on cnvc.org that will provide some capabilities similar to wiki. The new site is built on an open source product named Drupal. I find that it still lacks some collaborative document tools provided by the open source MediaWiki product used here, but it's possible that could change in the near future.
  
== What about "Nonviolence" itself? ==
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Some of my main needs related to CNVC's use of a wiki are for ease of providing public information, encouraging public participation, supporting connection and dialog in the global NVC community, and technical capabilities that support multiple language access and translation.
  
A conflict:  On the one hand, I would enjoy preserving the focus of the wiki on NVC, and contributing to expanding this message of NVC; on the other hand, I would enjoy the synergies I imagine would happen if I folded my nonviolence wiki content (a very small amount of content right now) into this wiki and shut down my wiki.
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I'd appreciate any comments that any of you might like to share about the strategy of moving some or all of the CNVC content here to a CNVC wiki and/or the new Drupal cnvc.org website when it's released in the next month or two.--[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 03:17, 12 May 2007 (CEST)
  
Would a couple people be willing to share the following?:
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I think the workload is independent of the amount of pages, or if cnvc shares their informations on it. As long we will not find somebody i will continue doing it. After disabling entering content for anonymous users, the workload reduced to nearly zero for the moment.
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I would enjoy that the content of cnvc remain on the page, so its more interesting to visit nvcwiki :-)
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[[User:Markus Pakki|Markus Pallo]] 05 June 2007
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=== Copyleft spirit ? ===
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I share with you John all the points you mentioned here. Yesterday I went for the day, from Bordeaux to Paris (France), for the general assembly of the ACNV (French association for NVC). Two years ago, on the same occasion I had suggested the use of a wiki, and it wasn't a success. Yesterday it finally became obvious it could help NVC by the means you described. Since a few weeks the french part of this wiki finally took off. For example the [[:fr:Rhône-Alpes]] region (where Marshall is due to come 8/11 septembre 2007), is becoming very active.
  
# whether you predict bringing nonviolence-only topics into this wiki would affect the focus in a way you would not enjoy
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So I'd love the synergy started here to keep on growing. However, I wonder how we could benefit not using any more MediaWiki, the tool used by the world's most commonly used wiki ? Wikipedia !
# whether some other needs may or may not be met by doing this
 
  
It may be useful information to consider that I intend to regularly contribute some effort on the issue of nonviolence to a wiki, whether this one or my own.
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Another question is bothering me. What I love about the wiki spirit is the copyleft spirit. And when I see, the difficulties met by the project of releasing an NVC DVD protected by copyleft (via BitTorrent technology for example), I wonder if a CNVC Wiki would keep the copyleft spirit we discovered with this NVCWiki.
  
--[[User:Jason Felice|Jason Felice]]
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Warmly, --[[User:Dieudo|Dieudonné]] 12:03, 13 May 2007 (CEST)
  
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== Please help save Wikipedia NVC article ==
Where is your wiki ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_communication has been marked for possible deletion, unless notability is established. Can someone who knows more about NVC please save that article? [[User:Okapi|Okapi]] 10:17, 18 May 2007 (CEST)
--[[User:Dieudo|Dieudonné]] 19:36, 19 December 2005 (CET)
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Thank you for this warning !
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I happen to have started this article in both french and english, and as I don't speak english fluently enough, Godfrey Spencer was of great help to give me this short definition of NVC Marshall once gave :
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Definition of '''Nonviolent Communication''' by Marshall B. Rosenberg - Lausanne, Suisse sept. 2003
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"Language, thoughts, communication skills and means of influence that serve my desire to do three things:
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- to liberate myself from cultural learning that is in conflict with how I want to live my life.
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- to empower myself to connect with myself and others in a way that makes compassionate giving natural.
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- to empower myself to create structures that support compassionate giving."
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French translation of NVC: [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_NonViolente Communication NonViolente] by Godfrey Spencer and Anne Bourrit.
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I don't know why it has been withdrawn, but I would love it if native english speakers would try to improve this article in order to remain a wikipedian article.
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--[[User:Dieudo|Dieudonné]] 11:12, 18 May 2007 (CEST)
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The page is no longer marked for deletion. I will remove this section in the next few weeks... --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 21:18, 9 June 2007 (CEST)
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: Fine by me, although it is a bit unexpected when you come from Wikipedia, where it would be considered disrespectful to delete other people's talk page contributions. [[User:Okapi|Okapi]] 23:13, 17 June 2007 (CEST)
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== Making this main page more inviting ==
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Currently, the main page is nice for finding resources, but it is quite impersonal. It shows no way to connect with the people here. One of the ways to do that would be a reference desk or help desk where people can ask other people questions. (Wikipedia e.g. has several, which contribute significanly to the life of that website.) How about something like that here? In analogy to Wikipedia's shortcut "WP:?", I'll create a page named [[?]] and write my question there. Please feel free to move the question anywhere you see fit. If you like the idea of the [[?]] page then it would be nice if someone with the right permission could add that to the main page. It would be very helpful if people who are interested in answering general NVC related question would add the [[?]] to their watchlist. [[User:Okapi|Okapi]] 23:13, 17 June 2007 (CEST)
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: Is anybody listening? I find it frustrating when I say "hello" to a small group of people and nobody replies. Are you really open to the public or is this a closed group that just happens to use the wiki engine? I came here to help, but I won't impose on a group that prefers to remain among themselves. [[User:Okapi|Okapi]] 04:15, 23 June 2007 (CEST)
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<B>Hello  :)</b><br>
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<I>Disappointing to have discovered this site, created an inviting new place for people to connect, and now you're excited to see more lively responses?</i>
  
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I hope that hasty "empathy" helps at least a little, because I appreciate everyone who has helped to create community on this site.  I used to check in here much more often, and posted more content in the past too.  Right now I'm distracted by lots of other things, and most of my web creativity is going into the upcoming cnvc.org website.  The ITC (see the two links under "Projects using..." on the [[Main Page]] for more info than you might have time for), has been working on this and several related projects for a while.
http://eraserhead.net:2500/nonviolence/
 
  
It was only started a week ago, so there is not much to show yet; however, there is ''some'' content which illustrates what I am going for.  Specifically, the book by [[Michael Nagler]] or the article contributed by Andreas about Gandhi's philosophy.
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Anyway, in answer to your question my impression is that the live dialog online in the NVC community is somewhat limited (maybe because giraffes tend to focus on in-person or at least telephone dialog?).  What dialog there is online seems to be in a couple of yahoo groups right now.  My fervent hope is that sometime soon the new website will have features to support moving the dialog there and adding many new topics and participants.  Yes, my understanding is that this wiki is open to everyone for reading and to those willing to register for postingSo my belief is that people here do welcome everyone, are an "open group," and might tend to focus on their particular interests rather than general dialog.
  
--[[User:Jason Felice|Jason Felice]]
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I hope this helps answer your questions, and that you and anyone else reading this might consider accepting my [[Invitation]] by clicking on the [[Invitation|link]].<br>
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[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]]
  
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: Thank you for your nice reply and your invitation. Since I have seen all of this and more created on the web with a wiki such as this, I am wondering why you aren't doing that already here. Of course, you can do some things better with a dedicated system, but I believe the life of a website comes from its people, not from its technology. If I may be blunt, I feel reminded of some people who buy the latest sports equipment before they really use the equipment they already have. [[User:Okapi|Okapi]] 00:42, 24 June 2007 (CEST)
  
It would meet my needs just fine. I was very dubious about the term &quot;nonviolence&quot; when i first came to NVC. After some learning, i am much happier with it (although i still think that it is often not a word i want to start with when explaining thins spirit to people). My learning would have happened much faster if there had been a lot of good information about nonviolence in one place. I imagine others having that learning faster as you and others add info here, which meets my needs for hope, others' understanding, etc. --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 02:43, 21 December 2005 (CET)
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== definitions? ==
  
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Somebody asked on a mailing-list 'how do you giraffe dance, what is giraffe/nvc dance?'.  I would like to post my reply here, in the spirit of contribution.  How about a link on the front page for 'definitions' or similar?  Or a suggestion where it might fit, anybody?  - cheers, Jonathan Cowan
Thanks, John.
 
  
My box was haxored, and I have decided to simply use this wiki instead of reconfiguring the one I had running, but to be attentive to peoples reactions about focus in doing so. --[[User:Jason Felice|Jason Felice]]
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here is my answer, in case anybody is moved to put it up somewhere:
  
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Q. Giraffe dance.. I have heard this during my studies but I never read anything that describes the steps of this giraffe dance. I need more understanding on this [..]
I'm french, so maybe I didn't understand exactly what you ask Jason, but here is what comes :
 
* I understand &quot;nonviolence&quot; in NVC as a reference to Gandhi
 
* I saw the film &quot;Gandhi&quot; when I was 17, and it was a really important moment in my life, in way it help me realise how powerfull that attitude is
 
  
So, in that sens, references to &quot;nonviolence&quot; topics is quite ok for me :)
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A. If your first request elicits a 'no', see if the other can come up with
* in french <small>(made with [http://spip.net SPIP])</small> : http://www.non-violence.org/
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another request or strategy which takes account of both your needs.  If
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this counter-request does not meet some need of yours, go back with a
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counter-counter-request to address all the needs presenting this time.
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Repeat this cycle until all needs are addressed, and you've arrived at
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a successful strategy - 'where everybody's needs are met'.
  
--[[User:Dieudo|Dieudonné]] 16:35, 21 December 2005 (CET)
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The 'dancing' is like negotiating (in the meaning of moving through) the
, Bordeaux - France (back home ;)
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problem space together, as if you were on a dance floor, with that kind
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of physical coordination and cooperation involved.

Latest revision as of 20:09, 22 November 2013

NVCwiki Change

Celebrations

John Wiley

I'm so richly appreciating all that this wiki has brought to the global NVC community! Markus, your contributions in particular fill me with joyful celebration of how much my needs for community and connection have been supported by your work here. I'm also celebrating the freedom I'm guessing this shift in your focus can bring you, for exploring new ways to meet the needs alive in you. Hurray!--John W. 03:17, 12 May 2007 (CEST)

Mournings

Discussion

CNVC Wiki?

I've just contacted William Poehner, leader of the CNVC's IT Committee, asking if he'd like to see us move the official and semi-official parts of this wiki onto a CNVC server. I'm wondering if this could help to reduce the workload of anyone willing to consider taking on the operation of this wiki.

As you may know, CNVC is about to release a completely revised website on cnvc.org that will provide some capabilities similar to wiki. The new site is built on an open source product named Drupal. I find that it still lacks some collaborative document tools provided by the open source MediaWiki product used here, but it's possible that could change in the near future.

Some of my main needs related to CNVC's use of a wiki are for ease of providing public information, encouraging public participation, supporting connection and dialog in the global NVC community, and technical capabilities that support multiple language access and translation.

I'd appreciate any comments that any of you might like to share about the strategy of moving some or all of the CNVC content here to a CNVC wiki and/or the new Drupal cnvc.org website when it's released in the next month or two.--John W. 03:17, 12 May 2007 (CEST)


I think the workload is independent of the amount of pages, or if cnvc shares their informations on it. As long we will not find somebody i will continue doing it. After disabling entering content for anonymous users, the workload reduced to nearly zero for the moment.

I would enjoy that the content of cnvc remain on the page, so its more interesting to visit nvcwiki :-) Markus Pallo 05 June 2007

Copyleft spirit ?

I share with you John all the points you mentioned here. Yesterday I went for the day, from Bordeaux to Paris (France), for the general assembly of the ACNV (French association for NVC). Two years ago, on the same occasion I had suggested the use of a wiki, and it wasn't a success. Yesterday it finally became obvious it could help NVC by the means you described. Since a few weeks the french part of this wiki finally took off. For example the fr:Rhône-Alpes region (where Marshall is due to come 8/11 septembre 2007), is becoming very active.

So I'd love the synergy started here to keep on growing. However, I wonder how we could benefit not using any more MediaWiki, the tool used by the world's most commonly used wiki ? Wikipedia !

Another question is bothering me. What I love about the wiki spirit is the copyleft spirit. And when I see, the difficulties met by the project of releasing an NVC DVD protected by copyleft (via BitTorrent technology for example), I wonder if a CNVC Wiki would keep the copyleft spirit we discovered with this NVCWiki.

Warmly, --Dieudonné 12:03, 13 May 2007 (CEST)

Please help save Wikipedia NVC article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_communication has been marked for possible deletion, unless notability is established. Can someone who knows more about NVC please save that article? Okapi 10:17, 18 May 2007 (CEST)


Thank you for this warning !

I happen to have started this article in both french and english, and as I don't speak english fluently enough, Godfrey Spencer was of great help to give me this short definition of NVC Marshall once gave :

Definition of Nonviolent Communication by Marshall B. Rosenberg - Lausanne, Suisse sept. 2003

"Language, thoughts, communication skills and means of influence that serve my desire to do three things:

- to liberate myself from cultural learning that is in conflict with how I want to live my life.

- to empower myself to connect with myself and others in a way that makes compassionate giving natural.

- to empower myself to create structures that support compassionate giving."

French translation of NVC: Communication NonViolente by Godfrey Spencer and Anne Bourrit.

I don't know why it has been withdrawn, but I would love it if native english speakers would try to improve this article in order to remain a wikipedian article.

--Dieudonné 11:12, 18 May 2007 (CEST)


The page is no longer marked for deletion. I will remove this section in the next few weeks... --John Abbe 21:18, 9 June 2007 (CEST)

Fine by me, although it is a bit unexpected when you come from Wikipedia, where it would be considered disrespectful to delete other people's talk page contributions. Okapi 23:13, 17 June 2007 (CEST)

Making this main page more inviting

Currently, the main page is nice for finding resources, but it is quite impersonal. It shows no way to connect with the people here. One of the ways to do that would be a reference desk or help desk where people can ask other people questions. (Wikipedia e.g. has several, which contribute significanly to the life of that website.) How about something like that here? In analogy to Wikipedia's shortcut "WP:?", I'll create a page named ? and write my question there. Please feel free to move the question anywhere you see fit. If you like the idea of the ? page then it would be nice if someone with the right permission could add that to the main page. It would be very helpful if people who are interested in answering general NVC related question would add the ? to their watchlist. Okapi 23:13, 17 June 2007 (CEST)

Is anybody listening? I find it frustrating when I say "hello" to a small group of people and nobody replies. Are you really open to the public or is this a closed group that just happens to use the wiki engine? I came here to help, but I won't impose on a group that prefers to remain among themselves. Okapi 04:15, 23 June 2007 (CEST)

Hello  :)
Disappointing to have discovered this site, created an inviting new place for people to connect, and now you're excited to see more lively responses?

I hope that hasty "empathy" helps at least a little, because I appreciate everyone who has helped to create community on this site. I used to check in here much more often, and posted more content in the past too. Right now I'm distracted by lots of other things, and most of my web creativity is going into the upcoming cnvc.org website. The ITC (see the two links under "Projects using..." on the Main Page for more info than you might have time for), has been working on this and several related projects for a while.

Anyway, in answer to your question my impression is that the live dialog online in the NVC community is somewhat limited (maybe because giraffes tend to focus on in-person or at least telephone dialog?). What dialog there is online seems to be in a couple of yahoo groups right now. My fervent hope is that sometime soon the new website will have features to support moving the dialog there and adding many new topics and participants. Yes, my understanding is that this wiki is open to everyone for reading and to those willing to register for posting. So my belief is that people here do welcome everyone, are an "open group," and might tend to focus on their particular interests rather than general dialog.

I hope this helps answer your questions, and that you and anyone else reading this might consider accepting my Invitation by clicking on the link.
John W.

Thank you for your nice reply and your invitation. Since I have seen all of this and more created on the web with a wiki such as this, I am wondering why you aren't doing that already here. Of course, you can do some things better with a dedicated system, but I believe the life of a website comes from its people, not from its technology. If I may be blunt, I feel reminded of some people who buy the latest sports equipment before they really use the equipment they already have. Okapi 00:42, 24 June 2007 (CEST)

definitions?

Somebody asked on a mailing-list 'how do you giraffe dance, what is giraffe/nvc dance?'. I would like to post my reply here, in the spirit of contribution. How about a link on the front page for 'definitions' or similar? Or a suggestion where it might fit, anybody? - cheers, Jonathan Cowan

here is my answer, in case anybody is moved to put it up somewhere:

Q. Giraffe dance.. I have heard this during my studies but I never read anything that describes the steps of this giraffe dance. I need more understanding on this [..]

A. If your first request elicits a 'no', see if the other can come up with another request or strategy which takes account of both your needs. If this counter-request does not meet some need of yours, go back with a counter-counter-request to address all the needs presenting this time. Repeat this cycle until all needs are addressed, and you've arrived at a successful strategy - 'where everybody's needs are met'.

The 'dancing' is like negotiating (in the meaning of moving through) the problem space together, as if you were on a dance floor, with that kind of physical coordination and cooperation involved.